What’s wrong with Canada?
Jun Lin’s mother said “We still believe that most people here are very kind, but this heinous crime happened in Canada. It’s made me reconsider what kind of place this is,” and she said that Jun Lin saw Canada as “a peaceful place with great respect for multiculturalism.” These words really made me think.
Canadians are known to be among the nicest people in the world. Canadians are kind, caring and polite. If you bump into us or step on our foot, WE apologize! This is true for most fellow Canadians I know. Canadians can travel the world with the Maple Leaf Flag sown proudly on our backpacks. Not only that but Canada is a highly sought after place to live for people looking to move away from other countries. A land of opportunity, a place they can come and maintain their cultural identity. Unlike the melting pot of the US, in Canada we celebrate our differences. We are happy to have diverse communities and circles of friends.
But there is a flip side to this, a darker side. Because we celebrate cultural identity so much, some of us are left out. As a Canadian whose family has been in this country for many many generations, my ancestral roots are all but gone. It matters not what European country my ancestors came from, as I do not identify as European. Like most Canadians, the closest identity I can relate to is American, but you’d be hard-pressed to find a Canadian waving the Star-Spangled Banner. We’ll take your music, movies, and TV shows thanks, but you can keep your “culture of fear” (Michael Moore).
You see places like Chinatown and Little Italy and although Canadians accept everyone into our communities, these people have a second close knit community to be a part of. People like me and Luka do not. It’s somewhat alienating at times. It’s obvious that Luka also experienced this, given his attempts to identify himself as Russian and Italian, for example. We would love to have a culture to proudly celebrate outside of maple syrup, Beaver Tails and poutine! Food is not an identity; it’s only a part of what makes up a culture. We Canadians have no traditional national attire, no dance. Even our own music and TV is very much like the Americans’, but with a special brand of dry Canadian humour thrown in. This is where I think French-Canadians are better off and is possibly why Luka moved to Montreal in the first place.
Take somone with the obvious identity issues that Luka has and compound this with living in a multicultural society as a member lacking a cultural identity and I can’t help but wonder if “Canada” is part of the problem in a roundabout way. Now before you start going off on me for justifying what Luka allegedly did, please see that’s not what I’m doing, nor am I saying that this is bound to happen to many other non-descript white Canadians. What I am saying is that this could be a part of what’s wrong with our society. After all, how many other Canadian killers belong to this same group of “average white Canadians”?…Russell Williams, Robert Pickton, Paul Bernardo, Karla Homolka, Michael Rafferty, to name a few. It seems to me that there’s a possibility for this problem to cause much more serious disconnects than just racism.
Dear Mrs. Du and Mr. Lin, racism did not kill your son, but “Canada” might be partially to blame, and for that we’re all terribly sorry.
While it is tragically too late for Jun Lin, I hope it’s not too late for our society to change. Maybe if people stopped looking at this as the psychotic break of an inhuman monster, and realized that we all and our society are partially to blame, we could prevent future atrocities. Sadly, the way we’re going now, it seems like tragedies like this one will continue to occur, while we sit back blaming the perpetrators instead of trying to fix the circumstances that create the monsters among us. Jun Lin’s mother’s view of Canada has been shattered; if only Canadians could see it the same.
RIP Jun Lin





What do u mean by French Canadian are better off?
Lin’s familly also said their son was not gay and even went out with a girl…Sorry for chinese people, but we are in 2012..Homosexuality touched everybody even if you red, white, yellow, black, blue etc.. He is chinese and is certainly gay in some way because he was Magnotta’s lover….
Anyway, i didnt like their speaches…They can go back to China!
Genevieve, I mean that French Canadians have so much more cultural identity than most Anglo Canadians. I’m also well aware of the downside as well, how the French often get treated like outsiders throughout the rest of Canada.
I believe the parents are in denial about Jun Lin’s sexuality, but I understand their point of view and certainly don’t think they (or any other immigrants) should “go back to China”! I’m all for diversity, I just think we need to find a way to maintain some sort of Canadian identity through the sea of multiculturalism.
Lexa,
I understand your point of view but i do not think they want to know us at all since their son has been killed by a canadian. I wont argue about immigrants or anythingt ’cause this forum is about Luka Magnotta but his parents (Jun Lin) have said their son was killed because we are or Luka is/are racist(s) and do not believe his son was gay. Come on, if they think each time someone is killed in Canada and is not “Canadian”, its because we are racist. Do u understand what i’m trying to say?
Right, I know what you’re saying. But, it’s obvious to anyone who takes 5 minutes to research Luka that he was NOT a racist. (He joined racist forums in an attempt to be a part of some community and even they saw that he wasn’t one of them.) I know a few racists in the 40+ crowd, but most Canadians in their 30s and younger have grown up with diversity and have countless friends from varying backgrounds including Asians and gays, hell I have more than one gay Asian friend! It’s really hard to get across my point that it’s not about racism, but it IS a problem with our multicultural society, and lack of Canadian identity, this does cause a disconnect for some, a drive to belong…
Lexa, I saw yesterday the Jun Lin’s mother interview; tears came out of my eyes; Luka was a racist and you know that I’m on the side of Universal Love; that bother me; How can he love MJ? MJ is a black american; I don’t know What’s thinking; now I’d seen the interview…..????? I will talk about it more with you in private.
I really don’t believe that he’s a racist…I think it just muddies the issue of the true underlying causes.
I agree with you! I have gay friends as well as asians.
By the way, im french canadian and never was treated as an outsider anywhere. Some people likes us, some don’t, what else can we do about this? I wont cry for this
I’ve been to Toronto twice and it was ok. :0
The Jun Lin’s mother words really make me think too, as you, Lexa.
Honestly, he might be racist! Luka may be racist! He killed Jun Lin and posted it online. He more than likely hates himself. Enough pity for this individual. He is non-original, and any ‘thinking’ he does is based upon cliché’s. He is a perfect consumer- other people’s thoughts, ideologies and beliefs.
I don’t believe that Canada is responsible, I think Magnotta is sick. Period, in every society, you have your psychos, every walk of life. And as for china, they come here in droves, ESPECIALLY MONTREAL. When do you hear of a Canadian going to China to ‘better’ their lives? They strain our already strained social programs, so instead of waiting 2 hours to see a doctor, we wait up to 22 hours.I’ve seen abuses of our social programs in this country by immigrants for 25 years, welfare, healthcare and low tuition costs. We welcome these people to our country and when something happens to one of them, all of a sudden its Canadas fault. Not a chance. It wasnt so long ago a chinese man did the same thing to an indonesian woman, but he raped her first, before killing her, and eating parts. If that affects our illegal immigrant population, haha, you don’t want to hear the rest of what I have to say. No I’m not racist, but if they want to blame canada, while they are sitting here, again living off our country’s money, until the trial is over, then I hope they all pack up and head back.
Hey Lisa,
I understand the point you are making. I just wanted to lay my opinion that the mere statement that Lin’s mother had made about Canada is not reflected by the entire Chinese population. Certain generations carry their own form of wisdom and beliefs that live and die with them. Mrs. Lin most likely had stated that because she was so upset in general [angry people say stupid things], and because of her own beliefs.
Immigrants contribute to society in expanding our culture with richness and cultivates it to become less one-minded and more accepting of everything. My father is Filipino. When he immigrated to Canada due to a relocation by his mother’s work, he was subjected heavily by racism here [this is not meant to pinpont you as a racist] If different cultures stayed within their own society, there would no doubt be more prejudice and dispute. The reason would be because if we don’t mix our cultures, how are we to truly understand each other?
There will always be issues concerning our economy, health system, etc.. the very basic sense of our societal structure. As long as we humans are imperfect, so will our structure be. We make the decisions on how to run health care, the economy, politics, etc.
We can’t keep pointing fingers at other people because it’s consoling to know we can blame someone. If anything, the thing society in general lack is dignity. We do show signs of it, but we cannot deny that that is something we truly need to work on. Everything comes as a price that we had put the tag on, so why are we blaming the store for simply putting the merchandise out?
Yes, but you said your father immigrated, therefore your family has roots here, therefore are contributing members to our society, rooted. You are canadian of filipino descent, no problem there. But there is a difference, montreal north has the bloods/crypts, so does toronto, the west coast is run by the vietnamese, and when have you seen a hooker with a white pimp. I’m talking mostly about the people who come here, commit crimes and expect a handout. Not the hardworking people, the victim was a first generation immigrant, and i feel horribly about what happened to him, but the bigger picture, is Canada is rated as the number one Country to live in, and all of a sudden a crime happens, and it is Canada’s fault. Yes, I understand Mommys response, but she should have realized the outpouring of assistance is coming from our pockets, our tax dollars, and through private funds generated in the name of junlin. They’ve even set up a scholarship program in his name. He was a victim, and when Anastasia Da Souza was killed in the Dawson shooting, there wasn’t this support for her family, o I guess that’s only open to foreigners……..sorry, but I’m angry. My sister was murdered so was her four year old son, her boyfriend did it, but was never caught, why, because she was a white anglo canadian. They had the file closed in less than two weeks. This is all smoke and mirrors so it doesnt fuck up the deals harper just signed with china. It’s political. Period.
Lisa, i so agree with you!
If ever anyone interested in the link:
http://blog.medfriendly.com/2012/06/cannibal-icepick-killer-luka-magnotta.html
Hey Tif, toujours présente, donc ça ne t’es toujours pas passée ?
Lol bah si un peu quand meme, mais c’est vrai que des que j’ai un peu le temps je recherche quelques informations mais bon, j’ai l’impression d’avoir dejà fait un peu le tour.
J’ai eu quelques problèmes perso donc un peu moins de temps mais je viens toujours ici, les articles sont très interessant.
D’ailleurs si tu connais d’autre site ou il en dise en peu plus. J’aimerais bien aussi (mais sa c’est impossible je pense) trouver un site ou autre qui nous dit comment sa se passe pour lui en prison (j’ai entendu parler de l’enveloppe qu’il avait retrouver pour Luka
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Et toi alors? (Quand j’y reflechit meme si je fais moins de recherche j’ai souvent des pensées pour lui). D’ailleurs (truc bete) tout à l’heure dans les transports j’étais en train de me dire que sa serait bien qu’il est un sosie :/ …
Coucou
Bah moi ça m’était passé, quasi completement et c’est revenu d’une force au point que j’en suis toute retourné. Lol
J’ai trouver un site pas mal. Faudrais que je le retrouve.
Oui j’ai vu pour l’enveloppe mais je sais pas encore ce que c’est. Apparement rien de dangereux mais quand meme.
Euh bah… Je me suis procuré son adresse. J’ai commencé une lettre. Sans trop savoir si je vais l’envoyer encore. Mais je me sens deja un peu libérée. Ça fait du bien. Je fais aussi moins de recherche mais je n’arrive pas a enlever son visage de ma tete.
Est ce que ća te tenterait que l’on echange via mail ?
Ah ouais c’est bizard que se soit passé puis revenu, tu a eu quelque chose qui a changé pour que sa revienne comme sa?
Ouais j’aimerais avoir un peu plus d’info sur lui maintenant mais bon. Oui rien de dangeureux et je ne pense pas que sa ait vraiment un rapport avec lui, vu qu’il en on reçu un peu partout. Je pense que c’est juste quelqu’un qui a voulu s’amuser.
Ah oui, moi sa par contre lui ecrire une lettre sa ne m’est pas trop venu à l’esprit vu que je suis nul en anglais. Je pense qu’il doit dejà y avoir des “fans” qui lui ont envoyé des lettres et je serais curieuse de savoir s’il ont eu une réponse.
C’est clair son visage reste gravé dans ma tete!!!
Bah oui pourquoi pas sa sera peut etre plus facile pour discuter.
bah non même pas, partie du jour au lendemain et revenu de la même façon, hyper violemment…
J’ai pas vraiment suivi l’affaire. J’en ai entendu parler, j’ai lu, essayer de comprendre, c’était en anglais, puis après plus entendu parler.
Bah euh, j’ai pensé à cette “thérapie” qui marche jusque là, j’y pense un peu moins. J’écris d’abord en français, comme si je m’adressais a lui, puis je me suis amusée à traduire quand même un peu. J’ai un niveau d’anglais correct écrit, mais quand même besoin d’un traduc pour faire le reste, puis je corrige le traduc et je continue. ça fait une page recto verso.
Et oui je me pose aussi la question à savoir, y’a t il une réponse ?
Oui je pense aussi, après va savoir les idées qu’il y’a dedans
Mais pourquoi un tel effet ? graver c’est le mot … pfff
Pour mon mail, tu mets, Lady_asphodelarobashotmailpointfr, je la met en entier sans les symboles alors j’espère que t’arriveras a décrypter
What you guys calls EMPATHY here is really simply SYMPATHY…Which is so very very different…for christ sake look it up…You have SYMPATHY for that monster. EMPATHY does apply here . Clearly. It’s like saying an apple is an orange because they’re both round in shape…Gosh!
**correction : EMPATHY doesn’t apply here. ***
Lawyer girl – you nailed it. These people have no understanding of empathy. That much is CRYSTAL CLEAR to any rational person. It’s ridiculous misguided sympathy. Well maybe not misguided but utterly pointless and clearly motivated by the way he looks and maybe some underlying hybristophilia. If he was fat and goofy looking with man boobs and a neckbeard we probably wouldn’t be here.